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The Truth By the Numbers by The-Cynical-Unicorn The Truth By the Numbers by The-Cynical-Unicorn

Available for free use and quotations! Just please don't claim it as your own. Please note that I reserve the right to reply to any comments posted here regardless of who they were originally addressing and when they were originally posted.
 Please remember that this stamp is just a simple fact about the actions that lead to abortion. Everyone is free to have your own personal opinion.

If you believe the numbers are lying, take it out with the people who gathered them. They have contact information on their websites and at the ends of their papers. Comments regarding rape "rarely being reported," "inaccurate statistics," "faulty mathematics," etc., will not be deemed important enough for my attention. If you have a problem with the numbers, talk to the people who gathered them, instead of attacking the messenger like a coward. Comments that claim that my sources are all unacceptable due to being pro life will also be ignored as the nonsense they are. My sources contain both pro life and pro choice links.


At only 1% of all abortions, rape is not the reason abortion is legal.

There is a common myth that says "abortion is legal because rape exists." Rape and incest (combined) contribute fewer than 1% of all abortions performed yearly. (The actual survey statistic is 0.3%, but as rape is sometimes unreported, it's safer to raise the number.) Only around 5% of all abortions are done to protect the mother's life. That means that 99% of abortions are done after consensual sex, and 93% - 94% are done for convenience alone. Also, only around 51% - 52% of all women who obtain abortions report using birth control during the month leading up to pregnancy.

On top of that, the balance of women impregnated by rape and/or incest choose not to abort. Over half of women who become pregnant due to rape or incest carry to term. (S. Makhorn, in Psychological Aspects of Abortion, Mall & Watts, Univ. Pub. 1979, Pg. 58) Of those women who have aborted after rape, more than 90 percent said they would discourage other victims of sexual violence from having an abortion. On the other hand, among the women who conceived due to rape or incest and carried to term, not one expressed regret about her choice. Clearly, abortion is not legal because rape exists.



This figure is easily found in multiple places and forms of sources when researched. A few such sources are these (please note that I have used a number of types of sources):

www.johnstonsarchive.net/polic…
www.operationrescue.org/about-…  
www.abortionfacts.com/books/wh…
www.nytimes.com/1989/10/13/us/…
www.womenscenter.com/abortion_…
www.eiunewman.org/eiu_students…
www.abort73.com/abortion_facts…
www.rainn.org/get-information/…
www.chessatwork.com/board/show…
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_ind…
www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrh…
www.mccl.org/us-abortion-stats…
www.whyprolife.com/abortion-fa…

 

 

 

The number of abortions after rape and incest is fewer than 1% of all abortions.





EDIT: I have been accused by the group Intersectional-911 that this message is hateful and discriminatory towards women and that it promotes rape and rape culture. I was even banned from that group because I submitted this and later blocked by its moderator when I tried to explain how this is simply a fact, nothing more. Just to clear any doubts, I want everyone to know that I hate rape in all its forms. I do not stand for rape. Rape has no excuse. A simple fact such as this is not meant to be demeaning or belittling towards anyone nor is this stamp an attempt to say that rape victims are in any way insignificant. I simply wish to dispel the commonly-held myth that abortion is legal because rape exists.




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XThunderstar Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
*sigh* It's sad, all I hear these days are young people wanting sex all the time, then they get a baby and they want to abort it. Why can't people see that human life is more valuable than sex :'-)
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The-Cynical-Unicorn Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2016  Student General Artist
People don't think with their brains nowadays. Thought processes are located in less savory parts of the body.
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ShadowofWOPR Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2015
Let me start by saying: I will happily admit this is a controversial issue and everyone has their own personal opinion of when they feel life starts.
I just would prefer people who want to argue abortion, have the proper numbers under their belt before going into the argument with each other.  These are those numbers.  At the end you will find my stance.

Death is defined as when brain activity stops
Fetus' don't achieve proper brain activity until 25 weeks of development.
Almost all abortions are preformed between 9 - 15 weeks.
And most places don't abort past the 21 week mark (they do something much nastier...  Induce labor for miscarriage...)
Planned Parenthood in particular (the ones who get the most flack) mostly (88% of the time) use MVA; which is only for use up to 13 weeks.
the other 22% of the time they use D&E, which is only effective up to 24 weeks.

Notice the numbers here?  How they don't abort after brain activity starts?

Also a final note that personally ticks me off, heartbeat can't be detected 18 days after conception; stop buying into the pro-life propaganda from people that don't even know what "IV" stands for.
What you're detecting is the mothers blood carrying nutrients to the fetus via umbilical cord.  The heart itself doesn't even start development until 35 days, and doesn't finish development and start beating until 42 days.

Personally I believe abortion should be a legal necessary evil, that should be legally protected by law, but paid for by either your own money or your own insurance (depending on provider, not to be mandatory coverage.)
If we ban it however, it won't stop women from getting it, it'll only force them to receive back-alley abortions with coat hangers and vacuum cleaners; which could potentially kill the woman in question in the process.  Making "pro-life" a hypocritical statement.  If you truly believe all life carries value, then you won't sentence those you don't agree with to their doom.  If you really want to stop abortions, you start with proper sex education.  The states with the most unplanned pregnancies and/or teenage pregnancies are also the states with the least sex education (abstinence only).  And those with the highest abortion rate...  Are all over the place to be totally honest; mostly the pro-life states and the three biggest pro-choice ones.  Potentially from putting emphasis on abortion as a possibility rather than a last resort.  I honestly can't tell you on that part.
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The-Cynical-Unicorn Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2015  Student General Artist
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ShadowofWOPR Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2015
>3 weeks: Heart begins beating
*sigh* ...can't tell the deference between a pulse and a secondary beating heart.

>as cited by the Pro-Life Action League
Ah, no wonder; with an agenda to push, they would fudge their statistics.

But again as I stated, 88% of abortions (legal and recorded in the USA only) are preformed within the first trimester, which still hits that 12 weeks mark the other guy was mentioning.
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The-Cynical-Unicorn Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2015  Student General Artist
88%... as cited by the abortion industry. Ah, no wonder; with the abortion agenda to push, they would fudge their statistics.
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ShadowofWOPR Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2015
Of the 1.6 million abortions performed in the U.S. each year, 91 percent are performed during the first trimester (12 or fewer weeks' gestation)
>FoxNews 2003

the 88% statistic comes from near all sources; and by that I mean ALL sources except "prolifeacrossamerica" and "prolifeaction.org" both of which don't even seem to show numbers on these questions, just have a small section talking about Row vs Wade.
Though I will admit the last time we had a census on this was 2006; possibly why Fox New's numbers (who only asked a few different clinic franchies from an older date) has a different number

Sources
Planned Parenthood
CDC
livescience.com
Nearly every educational curriculum outside of Mississippi (
ucsfhealth.org , columbia.edu , and la.psu.edu for examples)
Family Planning
Think Progress
and countless pro-choice pages that I ignored because I don't want to deal with more idiotic fallacies from people who can't for arguments without resorting to childish mimicry with no statistics to back their statements up.

PS: Brian Clowes, the guy your featured comment sourced.  Might want to have your friend get his computer checked out, most every site referencing Mr. Clowes positively is registered as dangerous and unsafe for visiting according to WOT, Ghostery, and Clickjack Protection.
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The-Cynical-Unicorn Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2015  Student General Artist
You missed the point of his comment. Pain is present at 8 weeks, and brain waves are detectable at 5 weeks. Anything else is a lie.

All your sources are prochoice. Also, I was merely playing devil's advocate, there. If all prolife sources are unreliable, then therefore all prochoice sources are unreliable.

Maybe your Antivirus needs to be checked out, because I visited the website he linked to and it's fine.
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2015
Yeah about that edit.  Here's some ammo for you to use in situations like that:  "If you get offended by the facts, then it's you who's in the wrong."  Also, you can get people to read this: sin-and-love.deviantart.com/jo…
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The-Cynical-Unicorn Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2015  Student General Artist
I said that (I tried to be a bit more gentle about it, but that is the essence of what I said) and they just told me that I was closed-minded and couldn't see reason. I could probably find you the conversation. It's somewhere in the comments section of my ID page.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I love it!haha! Good one dude!
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Little-Miss-Kitsune Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you for saying that.
I think abortion is murder because it is killing a human, but I think it should only be done in cases of rape,incest or to save the mother's life.
Otherwise, you need to live with your foolish choice.  If you cannot be a good parent, there is always adoption/Baby Moses Law (in some places)
;u;
and kids are not parasites, and please don't use that argument against me
kthnxbai
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The-Cynical-Unicorn Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2015  Student General Artist
It bothers me that people have gotten so sex-crazed as to place sensations in their genitals over human life. How animalistic can they get?
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Little-Miss-Kitsune Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yaw..
Their logic:
Keep your beliefs behind closed doors you creep
and parade on the street about your sex life
seriously, there is more to life than just sex lol
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The-Cynical-Unicorn Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2015  Student General Artist
Lol, yes!
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RedBerryBush Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
Thank god. Someone says what no one will.
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The-Cynical-Unicorn Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2015  Student General Artist
This isn't to say that rape doesn't happen or that the victims are insignificant, but it debunks the perpetuating myth that the reason abortion is legal is because of rape.
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RedBerryBush Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
I know, and thank god someone debunked that theory
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ACommissionReviewer Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2015
So I've been wanting to respond to this post for a LONG time now. Mainly because of how poorly researched and reasoned this whole argument is. So let's break down what the fuck is wrong with it shall we?

"At only 1% of all abortions, rape is not the reason abortion is legal."

Now I've seen this 1% argument before, and I think the study that got that conclusion was bullshit. Why? Well in 1987 (Which is when they did the study) they only asked 1,900 women and 1% did say it was because of rape. Even though that number is not a good representation of the US population. But also you are misrepresenting the study itself. Because it also says that 95% of the women also mentioned rape and incest also mentioned other reasons as well for deciding to abort. 

Read here: www.nytimes.com/1989/10/13/us/…

However from that study with that percentage in mind there are about 1.6 million abortions each year. Now if you remember our percentage that would mean our number of women who get abortions solely because of rape 16,000. Yeah, that's a lot. Remember also the 95% as well that said rape and incest along with other reasons. So certainly it is more than 1% however pro-life groups take this study, leave out the 95%, and try to make it seem like women who get abortions from rape is a rare thing. And you know what? Even if it was a rare thing it shouldn't be illegal anyways. Why? Because a women should be allowed to continue a pregnancy if she wants. It's her body her's alone.

"There is a common myth that says "abortion is legal because rape exists.""

Well that's not a myth, women do get abortions from rape and it should be legal to get one in the case. 

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 Rape and incest (combined) contribute fewer than 1% of all abortions performed yearly. (The actual survey statistic is 0.3%, but as rape is sometimes unreported, it's safer to raise the number.)"

Wrong. I already pulled up the study that says that rape and incest along with other reasons such as the mother's life at stake etc make up to 95%. NOT 1%. Way to misrepresent the entire study there missy.

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(The actual survey statistic is 0.3%, but as rape is sometimes unreported, it's safer to raise the number.)"

rape is heavily not reported. I don't know where you get this number from because it is so freaking wrong. Some women get abortions but will lie about why because they are either too embarrassed or ashamed to say they were raped. 

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Only around 5% of all abortions are done to save the mother's life."

I'll have to see what study you read to get that number as well.

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That means that 99% of abortions are done after consensual sex, and 93% - 94% are done for convenience alone."

...You do realize a percentage is out of a 100% right? Combining your numbers here it comes up to 386%, not including the other numbers like the 5% and the 1%. 

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 Also, only around 51% - 52% of all women who obtain abortions report using birth control during the month leading up to pregnancy."

Now I will have to see this study where you read it from because it is not from the NY times one. I will be looking at your sources however and seeing whether or not they are bias.

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On top of that, the balance of women impregnated by rape and/or incest choose not to abort."

Because they are too ashamed or embarrassed of themselves that they would rather have the baby than let anyone know they were raped.

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Of those women who have aborted after rape, more than 90 percent said they would discourage other victims of sexual violence from having an abortion."

Now I will certainly need to see the specific source of this, because they way you say it never goes into detail about why they would discourage them. 

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 On the other hand, among the women who conceived due to rape or incest and carried to term, not one expressed regret about her choice."

Again I need where you got this info. I'm not really wanting to see what you sources say since you barely go into any detail whatsoever.

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 Clearly, abortion is not legal because rape exists."

No, it should be legal because rape exists. Because guess what? RAPE STILL EXISTS. Women get raped and if they want to abort the baby they should be able to. 

Okay so now let's see these sources and there is quite a few.

Let's try source #1? The first link actually brings you straight to the conclusion of the paper, so I had to scroll upwards to read it all. Now there is a reason why it's like this, because at the top of the page it says the places where the studies were taken place in were 
Arizona, Florida, Louisiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, South Dakota, and Utah. Interesting thing about almost all of these states is that they, especially Arizona have abortion laws that make it hard for women to get abortions. 

 Source #2 is a pro life bias site so I don't even need to read this one.

Source #3 seems like it's a legit site however once you click on it's main home page it becomes very clear that it's a bias pro-life site. Pass.

Source #4 is actually a PDF file which no longer exists.

Source #5 is my source? Hey check that out you actually DID read it. However you completely ignored the parts where it goes against you and only included it because it talked about how rape was 1% of abortions.

Source #6 is actually a source that goes against what you are talking about. For starters your numbers are of the US alone, while the source it worldwide. Also this study shows why keeping abortion legal is a good thing: "
One woman dies every 7 minutes around the world due to an unsafe illegal abortion. Women who undergo illegal abortions are those who are very poor and do not have access to family planning facilities for education and prevention of unwanted pregnancies". You used this to defend pro-life? Did you even read this before sourcing it?

Source #7 doesn't exist anymore.

Source #8 is also a bias site.

Source #9 is not sourced itself so I will not count it. 

Source #10 is a public forum page so skip because I don't trust it.

Source #11 doesn't even talk about rape percentages. Mainly it focuses on the other reasons for abortions which again go against what your numbers say. Wow, you REALLY didn't read any of these articles before sourcing them didn't you?

Source #12 I can't seem to find where it talks about the rape percentage so if you could show me yourself that would be lovely. After All you would have to read your own source before using it right?

Source #13 is a pro life site without any real sources to back up what it's saying. All it has is a graph, text and more info ask Gavin.

Source #14 which is the final one is another pro life bias site.

Wow, how the hell did you manage to source all of these but yet still not have a good argument. I've gone through all of these and they are all either bias pro life sites, studies and papers that are irrelevant, and studies and papers that go against your argument. Way to cherry pick and not even read any of the sources. Hell you would've been better off not seeing anything.

 This is not how to make a pro life argument. 
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The-Cynical-Unicorn Featured By Owner Edited Oct 22, 2015  Student General Artist
This is impressive. You undoubtedly spent a lot of time writing this, and yet you have missed the entire point of my argument. You have also misunderstood your own source and framed your entire argument around that misunderstanding.

I'm not going to bother with you if you can't understand this simple argument or the studies behind it.

Prolife sources are no more biased than prochoice sources. This attitude alone is enough to discredit everything you have said. It's easy to deny the evidence when you refuse to read it.
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ACommissionReviewer Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2015
"This is impressive. You undoubtedly spent a lot of time writing this, and yet you have missed the entire point of my argument."

I did take time to write this and read the sources you linked. I did not miss your argument's point at all unless you would be so kind to explain it then. Because from what I can tell your argument is about how abortions shouldn't be legal just because rape exists. Would you like me to highlight the areas where you hinted or out right said it?

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You have also misunderstood your own source and framed your entire argument around that misunderstanding."

I did not miss understand my source, I used a source you had against you. Rather than say the number of women based off of the percentage from the study given who get abortions because of rape. You instead use the percentage alone and make it seem like abortions from rape is a rare thing.

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I'm not going to bother with you if you can't understand this simple argument or the studies behind it."

Did you even read your sources? 

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Prolife sources are no more biased than prochoice sources."

But I didn't use a pro-choice bias source. I used the NY times a neutral source on the topic.

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This attitude alone is enough to discredit everything you have said"

You do realize by using this logic it would also discredit everything you have said too right?

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It's easy to deny the evidence when you refuse to read it."

A few problems with this statement. #1 Bias sources tend to cherry pick their info in order to make their cause look like it matters more. #2 I read through all the sources that weren't bias. #3 I pulled quotes from these studies in order to show how you were the one who didn't read shit. Tell me, if I am as wrong about this as you say I am how's about you show me how I was wrong. Rather than just say I am, prove that I am.
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The-Cynical-Unicorn Featured By Owner Edited Oct 23, 2015  Student General Artist
I did take time to write this and read the sources you linked. I did not miss your argument's point at all unless you would be so kind to explain it then. Because from what I can tell your argument is about how abortions shouldn't be legal just because rape exists. Would you like me to highlight the areas where you hinted or out right said it?

Ah, I see. You're intentionally creating a strawman argument. My argument is not that abortion shouldn't be legal just because rape exists. My argument is in big bold letters right at the top, if you're having trouble finding it. This stamp is meant to say nothing more, nothing less.


I did not miss understand my source, I used a source you had against you. Rather than say the number of women based off of the percentage from the study given who get abortions because of rape. You instead use the percentage alone and make it seem like abortions from rape is a rare thing.

...Because that's all I meant to say, duh. You created a strawman argument and then attempted to use the NY Times to debunk it, but I had never made the claims you said I had. When compared to the number of abortions as a whole, abortion from rape is a very rare thing. You very clearly misunderstood your source when you said that 95% of abortions are done because of rape.



Did you even read your sources?

Yes. You're the one who admitted to not reading them. That's what's known as willful ignorance.



But I didn't use a pro-choice bias source. I used the NY times a neutral source on the topic.

Whoever said we were talking about your sources? You really have some reading comprehension troubles if you got that from me talking about my sources.




You do realize by using this logic it would also discredit everything you have said too right?

Sigh. You have misunderstood me yet again. This is incredible. I don't have time for this nonsense. Where did I refuse to read your source due to calling it biased?



#1 Bias sources tend to cherry pick their info in order to make their cause look like it matters more.

I agree. That's why I have prolife, prochoice, and neutral sources. You have misunderstood me again by asserting that I don't believe bias has any impact on a source.




#2 I read through all the sources that weren't bias.

I notice you didn't call my pro choice sources bias. To you, only prolifers are biased.




#3 I pulled quotes from these studies in order to show how you were the one who didn't read shit. Tell me, if I am as wrong about this as you say I am how's about you show me how I was wrong. Rather than just say I am, prove that I am.

Actually, you misquoted the article where it said that out of the 1% of women who obtained abortions due to rape 95% also said that they considered health hazards a factor in their decision, and you twisted it into saying that 95% of women who obtain abortions do it because of rape.









Your entire argument is one huge strawman backed up by a misquotation. You have wasted my time.
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Lunakinesis Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
Even if it not the reason it is legal, it should be a reason for it to remain legal. A small percentage it may be, but it's still a percentage. There are still women AND girls - because let's not ignore than many victims of incest are underage girls, who can hit puberty during their abuse and become pregnant - who are raped, who are abused by a relative and become pregnant. And it's perfectly understandable that they do not want to carry that child. It wasn't a silly mistake of negligence with birth control or drunkeness ect, it was the result of violence. Pregnancy isn't easy to go through, even today it brings many health complications and things such as eclampsia can kill. Those women are more than within their right to abort. (In my opinion, any are because I believe in freedom of choice.). There are also cases of a pregnancy becoming life-threatening to the mother. In which case it's either lose one life or both. It's not a decision most people who have an abortion make lightly. And I'd rather abortion wasn't used as a 'contraceptive' because it's not. I would rather people used other measures available: condoms, spermicide, whatever form of female contraception they prefer (combined pill, injection, implant ect.) and the morning after pill. But I always want the option to remain because even if it were made illegal, it wouldn't go away. Women have been having abortions long before they were legal, and they were highly dangerous, unsanitary affairs that would return to use if the proper practice were banned. 
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The-Cynical-Unicorn Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2015  Student General Artist
I have nothing against abortion if it's done to protect the mother's life.

As for the rest of your arguments, I see your point, but if we wanted to keep abortion legal for rape in incest victims, then it would not need to be legal for convenience after consensual sex. The fact that 99% are done after consensual sex and that 95% of those are done for convenience alone is saying a lot.
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Well let me ask you something; Let's say a 13 year old girl was on birth control. You know, because she asked her parents for it because she didn't want to get pregnant like half the teenage girls in her school or whatever. She is on birth control and she has sex. The birth control fails and she gets pregnant. You're saying that a girl who was taking birth control for the sole reason to NOT get pregnant was inviting the pregnancy? I'm sorry. No. Not how it works. You have failed to look at the MULTIPLE other things that come into play that people have abortions for things like:

- Being in a physically abusive relationship with your partner and can't leave due to financial problems (no car, no job meaning no money to provide for the baby, no insurance so can't go to the hospital)
- Financial problems (being to young to get a job or not able to find stable or any work at all)
- Drug/Alcohol addictions that could possibly harm the child (which, cutting off a serious addiction cold turkey could result in serious physical damages and even death. Yes, even death)
- Birth Control failure (using birth control in the first place means that they DON'T want children. Sex is normal, but the desire for children is NOT).
- Health Problems that could result in the death of the mother and/or the child.


A majority of abortions probably have something to do with one or more of the above circumstances. People don't just get enjoyment out of "murdering" unborn fetuses. And I'm just going to point out; Only ONE (yes ONE) of your links is considered credible. And that's the .gov site. .com, .org, and .net are three things you NEVER use to support your argument. If they don't have any credible references they used for their research and if you can't cross reference any of the data with different studies on the same topic? Then your sources are not credible, invalid, and therefore biased and unusable. Before you go ahead and decide to rant and throw most likely a biased argument out like it's fact; Make sure you do ALL the proper research and get credible sources. .edu and .gov are the two best sites you can get. I see though that you basically pulled anything off the shelf that makes you LOOK smart and slapped it on here hoping no one would call your bluff.
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The-Cynical-Unicorn Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2015  Student General Artist
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StartheArcticVixen Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2015
Actually, that's wrong as well.  Because when someone takes BIRTH CONTROL (means for not getting pregnant), means you don't consent to getting pregnant. That's like saying someone who wears make up and looks hot is consenting to being cat called and groped. Consent takes a clear "Yes". You don't get to change the meaning of consent because you don't like abortion. If someone says "Yes I want sex but no I don't want a baby", then that person DOES NOT consent to pregnancy end of story.
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The-Cynical-Unicorn Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2015  Student General Artist
You didn't read the description. Come back when you have.
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StartheArcticVixen Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2015
No. I read it loud and clear. And I made my point that if someone is taking birth control, then that is an automatic signal that they don't want a baby. That's like saying a girl wearing a short skirt is looking for sex. It's not true, and neither is your point.
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The-Cynical-Unicorn Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2015  Student General Artist
Read the description again, because you've still missed it. Nature doesn't care what we intellectually consent to.
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Lunakinesis Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
Even if that is so, there is a lot of physical and mental health issues that come along with it. I'm from the UK so, my country's stats are a little different. I don't like abortion being used willy-nilly by careless people who have unprotected sex often. I wouldn't prevent them from being able to have one, because like I said, chances are they would have it done illegally at great risk to their health, but I don't like it. In cases where contraception and the morning after pill failed, which they have a chance to, or in the case of one-off forgetfulness in regards to conception, I understand. Whilst I also fully support any woman who choose to keep a pregnancy that was unplanned, unwanted or the result of sexual assault, I support women who do not feel ready to be mothers or who do not wish to go through pregnancy. Because pregnancy DEFINITELY isn't easy, there's the chance of developing diabetes, eclampsia as mention previously (which if it doesn't kill the mother, can leave her blind.), blood pressure issues and many others.

Then there is the mental side of things. For myself personally, I know I couldn't mentally cope with a pregnancy, not with my mental health history. Would it be an easy choice for me to abort any pregnancy? Probably not, even if I don't want to be a parent. It usually isn't. That's why there's counselling offered, even for women who still uphold they made the right choice, and why women take time to consider it. Most abortions are performed in the very early stages of pregnancy, so it isn't as if the majority of women are just slaughtering babies, what's there does not even have a consciousness or most of a body at that stage 3-9 weeks being where over 77% of abortions are performed here in the UK and 14% 10-12%. 

That said, I do agree with lowering the abortion limit except in cases of life endangerment. Currently here it's 24 weeks. Having a cousin who survived by born three months early and thus still at an age where she could have been aborted makes me uneasy. As I said, in ases of life-endangerment I understand. But I can't understanding choosing to have an abortion that late on. It's going to be more traumatic mentally, physically and at that point the foetus is inarguably a person, small but fully formed.

I'm sorry if I'm a little rambly, and I hope I didn't come over as rude or anything, just wanted to give my thoughts. I support a woman's right to choose, first and foremost, but I don't excuse careless behaviour or fully condone current laws on the matter.  
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The-Cynical-Unicorn Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2015  Student General Artist
I repeat what I said before. With all due respect, it addresses everything you have brought up. Pregnancy and birth are not easy, but unless you are raped, you chose to invite them into your life. If you don't want a pregnancy, don't mess around.
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paleindian10 Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
I was adopted, I'm glad my biological mother gave me a chance, the circumstances might have not been good, she could have said it'd be to much and I wasn't worth it, she could have punished me for what my biological father did. But she didn't, and even though I have only heard from her once, I commend her for giving me a chance, because even though I might have had a difficult childhood,God has used everything, good and bad, for good! I have met wonderful and amazing people, I have been given a chance to make a difference through God using a lowly vessel like me. I am greatful.
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The-Cynical-Unicorn Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2015  Student General Artist
That's a great story! Thank you for sharing! :hug:
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paleindian10 Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
no problem
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TheOldenDream Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2015
You're basically defending you're own beliefs because with abortion you can CHOOSE or CHOOSE NOT to get one, because let's be honest here, this is just another lengthy pro-life argument. Also, you get raped, get pregnant, and don't wanna have a kid, you should have that choice to get an abortion right? So what if the number's are small, it's still a goddamn choice. I mean come on folks, this is America. DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT WANT THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE?
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The-Cynical-Unicorn Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2015  Student General Artist
You completely missed the point.

If you're going to launch personal attacks, go somewhere else.
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TheOldenDream Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2015
How the hell is that a personal attack?
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Venelebat Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
As long as it's still legal I don't really care about the percentage.
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Gloomy-Butt Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Abortion was legalized because there were too many children being born into families could not afford them, and put into adoption homes in so large a number that they could not be adopted at the rate they were being put in. Abortion was legalized so low income families wouldn't spend years using money they didn't have long-term for something they couldn't handle long-term.

In other words, crime and population control.

After abortion was legalized, in the next twenty years, crime rates when down drastically. Kids who were aborted or sent to crowded, underfunded adoption homes were never born and didn't have to resort to crime later in life to get by. Those same parents or foster parents who might have had to resort to crime to support their children ultimately had no need to when they could abort. In twenty years, the number of thefts, arson, rape, human-trafficking, drug-trafficking, and murder went down, because those children who would have grown up to be criminals with no other way to get by were never born.

Sources:
scholar.harvard.edu/barro/file…
www.thepublicdiscourse.com/wp-…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk6gOe…

Also, if you personally have a problem with abortion, then don't abort. It's that simple a logic. If you have a problem with racism, don't be racist. If you have a problem with gays, don't be gay. If you have a problem with anything, don't be that thing. I find it infuriating how people try to infringe on other's rights because of a personal opinion. In the face of an abortion, if my partner and I had the power to giveth, then we have the power to taketh away. End of story.

That being said, I'd personally never have an abortion unless absolutely necessary, but I don't care that other people do. They had the power to maketh that baby, thus they have the power to taketh away. It's not up to me at that point. It's up to them.
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iBottle Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2015
Also, if you personally have a problem with abortion, then don't abort. It's that simple a logic. If you have a problem with racism, don't be racist. If you have a problem with gays, don't be gay. If you have a problem with anything, don't be that thing. I find it infuriating how people try to infringe on other's rights because of a personal opinion. In the face of an abortion, if my partner and I had the power to giveth, then we have the power to taketh away. End of story. 

If you have a problem with rape then don't rape, if you have a problem with murder then don't murder, if you have problem with child abuse then don't abuse. Your logic is so unshakable. 
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2015
"If you have a problem with rape then don't rape, if you have a problem with murder then don't murder, if you have problem with child abuse then don't abuse."  I never really got this argument.  So what?  I'm just not supposed to keep other people from doing those things?
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iBottle Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2015
We humans should try and should succeed to stop rape, murder or child abuse. :)
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2015
Yes, but here's the thing.  Shouldn't we also try to stop people form doing things that we have reason to believe would be harmful to themselves?
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iBottle Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2015
Yes, but here's the thing.  Shouldn't we also try to stop people form doing things that we have reason to believe would be harmful to themselves?

Yes we should for their own good. Drugs shouldn't be legal for example. But of course not to cross the line, what does this has to do with abortion. ;)
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iBottle Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2015
What are you talking about?
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2015
Take for example, this one guy who died after trying to have sex with a hornet's nest.
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Gloomy-Butt Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Who even are you? Who even replies to a comment made almost three months ago?
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iBottle Featured By Owner Edited Oct 16, 2015
:o (Eek)  Why not?

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EDIT: She blocked me,

I'm going to assume your reply before this was in disagreement with what I said, because it was near impossible to tell if what you said was sarcasm or not.

True it was.

Besides, I don't even remember making my comment. I remember nothing about this post or the reason behind my response to it. My opinions have no doubt changed since I made this, I will admit. And getting some random reply to some random comment I made some several months ago on a subject I can't even remember and now have a completely different opinion on is really really aggravating.

Your opinion matters nothing to me, nor I care if it changes, but your statement that we have to stand behind everything that happens like we are animals is pretty stupid such as racism like you mentioned.

Good day.

Guten nacht. ;)
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Gloomy-Butt Featured By Owner Edited Oct 16, 2015  Student Digital Artist
I'm going to assume your reply before this was in disagreement with what I said, because it was near impossible to tell if what you said was sarcasm or not.

Besides, I don't even remember making my comment. I remember nothing about this post or the reason behind my response to it. My opinions have no doubt changed since I made this, I will admit. And getting some random reply to some random comment I made some several months ago on a subject I can't even remember and now have a completely different opinion on is really really aggravating.

Good day.
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